How is there God?

Yes, I've read the Bible many times; but where did God come from? How is he in existence? The Bible claims that He has 'always been', but this seems to me an impossibility. And what is "spirit"? Please explain.

God did not come from anything for He made everything. He is already existing from eternity to eternity.

Okay. How? I'm looking for reason, not Bible quotations, but I thank you anyway.

Okay; I think you're saying a person has to believe in the existence of God based purely on faith in the existence of God. Circular logic. I could as easily believe in the "Big Bang" theory of creation based on my faith in the belief of the "Big Bang" theory. I do appreciate your taking the time to make a sincere, well thought post on this discussion. Thank you.

p.s.-I used to be a believer. For reasons I won't go into at this time, I no longer am. But it is really lonely when you can no longer lean on a support you used to accept as always being there because you (being I) do not wish to be a hypocrite.

I really admire your sincerity. I really enjoy taking up the tall challenge of sharing with you my thoughts. For a person who is quite convinced about the untenability of a divine existence, you are - paradoxically I suppose - still able to take in views that are the exact opposite of yours. That's a healthy attitude of respect which you have. At least, with that, we can go beyond our personal difference and enter into a dialogue - or debate if you may - without being irresponsible with our comments. I like that.

I won't be a hypocrite myself. But in case you would find that life does not anymore make sense or has no more meaning in it, I am not sure if your quest to lean on the strength of human reason is enough to get you out of a possible quandary. I hope you'd pull through though, without a God to actually depend on.

Goodluck.

Okay; a consciousness without matter. This I can almost accept, because I have often wondered what happens to the essential "spark" that is "me" upon ceasing of the bodies functions. I would like to believe that I would continue to exist on another level; I don't know if I would refer to this as "Heaven" or "Hell", but definitely another "dimension", so to speak. I can see how this "spark" could affect the moving of matter (hence "creation") because the "spark" that is "me" affects the movement of my body. Thanks for a different view on this subject.

Applause for your answer! Yes, it all comes down to "no beginning, no end" basically; there is the theory that at some point the universe will cease expanding, begin to rush back in upon itself and once again BANG!; new universe. Thanks for your educated point of view. It is my intention here to collect opinions from all users; so far we're getting a good mix.

Damn Spank, that was a really great response IMO...

I also think we will never know the answer. You're accepting that He does exist; I must admit that He could exist; I have no basis to disprove his existence other than my belief that he does not. Of course, this raises one disturbing possibility; if you're wrong, no harm will come of it, whereas if I'm wrong, I'm in big trouble.

"If I'm wrong then I'm in ""big"" trouble". I guess that was intended to be sarcastic. If you really do think like that, I would like to assure you that you would definitely not be in big trouble. When you know you are wrong, you can always start to believe differently. And I can definitely assure you that there is no 'eternity in Hell'.

No, this isn't sarcastic. I'm being very serious here.

I'm not admitting to being wrong; I'm saying that I could be wrong; I'd like to believe that I'm always right, but we all know that no one is.

You say you can assure me there is no "eternity in Hell"; this may be your belief, but many religions teach otherwise.

Myself, I believe in neither Heaven nor Hell; the Christian philosophy that I used to follow doesn't actually leave room for one without the other.

I'd like to believe that we get another chance at the end to come back and do it better next time until achieving perfection of mind and spirit; but I don't believe that, either, though it would seem the best learning path if it was true.

I thought you were atheist, but looks like you are leaning more on the agnostic side. Your statement "I could be wrong" really nailed that point on my head. From what you say, I think that since you were brought up as a Christian but didn't really understand a lot of beliefs in Christianity which contradicted themselves, you stopped believing and now have doubts about other religious beliefs as well. If you really do not want to follow any religion but want to just be a good man, then just go for it. You will just find what you wanted to find when the time is ripe for you.

A lot of people don't understand the distinction between "atheist" and "agnostic", but I can see that you do. Yes; I do not categorically state that "there is no God" (I can hear some of you here already; I think we've cleared that up some) because I can not disprove the existence of such a Being, nor is it my intention to do so. I try to live my life in the best way that I can, and try my best to do good deeds when I can, without conscious desire for recognition or repayment. That is the closest path to a "religion" that I follow; I believe good will comes to those who do good.

Nobody know's where really God came from. Even me whom worshipped Him.As what we know He is the Holy spirit who came from heaven and Just the only ONE WHO CREATED LIFE, US and other things that existed in this world.

Yes; but by your explanation above, that He just existed and we don't know where he came from, the same could be said of cells, molecules, and so forth; that they just existed and we don't know where they came from. I realize it is actually impossible to prove or disprove the existence of God, but I was curious as to how others feel on this. I thank you for your reply; it shows that you can accept others beliefs even though they differ from yours.

As what i said thats made Him as Powerful. Did you read my entire responsed? If you did i think there somethings there you just ignored coz you focusing of your expectations how it should be answered. Well, people who don't believe in him have really a lot of questions. So, this issue is not new for me..It's really hard to explained things as like this to the person who don't believe with it and then that's why im curious why they still have a lot of questions?.. Yeah, ofcourse definitely they need an answer and once you have it? You will be satisfied? i don't think so....

Science,God,religion, humanitarian....have hanging issues,theories or unsolved proof...Just the same. It's just up to you how you accept and stand where you want to stand. And where you want to fit in. That's life all about ..Curiousity sometimes can lead us in having a very tough life...So just live life as what you think it is as long you cannot harm anyone. Peace be with you bro. V

No, I read your entire reply. I didn't ignore anything in it, and i'm not focusing my expectations as to how it should be answered. I don't know how you got that idea. I used to be a believer; I no longer am. I don't expect to get a definite answer on this; I am only asking for everyone's opinion on why they believe, or what has convinced them that God exists. Nothing more, nothing less. Peace.

I just thought about it...Well, i think that's it! You have an interesting topic myke! just continue with it without any harm and you will be good to yourself and to everyone. ANd i know you will and you already did it. happy mylotting.

This is most likely the truest answer.

Why would logic demonstrate that a creator had to initiate all this?

I'm not saying there should be an answer; I don't expect to ever find an answer, at least not in this life. Even if one were to say "God came from such" then there would be "where did such come from". It's a tricky subject; though I'm not a believer, it seems to me that "faith and faith alone" is truly the only way to explain the existence of God. But to have faith, one must first believe; those who have no faith therefore logically CANNOT believe in His existence. I know that for many, their belief and faith in God (be they Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever) is what enables them to accept many things in life they cannot change, and for these people I believe their belief is a good thing for them inasmuch as it gives them comfort and stability in a chaotic world. I would never dismiss an others belief; anyone has the right to believe as they do; sometimes it's hard to have a civilized discussion with those more radically inclined in their belief; but I defend their right to believe whatever they want, regardless if our point of view can never be reconciled.

I wouldn't laugh at this; religion is a very sensitive subject, and laughter, while at times a great medicine, can also incite great anger in someone who may feel humiliated by your laughter. But, like you were stating, people used to believe the world was flat, and you could sail off the edge of it. And in terms of time, this was not all that long ago.

There you answered your question..at a time people thought the world was flat..in time they learned different.

Same thing with God, in time He will reveal all things to us.

If He is there, which I don't believe; so no, I did not answer my own question.

If you have something to add to the discussion, please, by all means do so; but realize this is a discussion about "How is there God", not just a place to leave a small comment that doesn't actually contribute to it. In my opinion, anyway.

I can appreciate your philosophy while not agreeing with it. Belief is probably the strongest emotion (if it can be classified as one for the purpose of this discussion) that exists. I do know that some religions have a great basis for social harmony, while others are of the "destroy the infidels" type. And there are so many that profess to represent the one true God; it's all very complicated when one begins to examine it closely.

Yup you're right. It is really a complicated thing if examined. Sometimes things cannot be explained and in that situation, we just have to believe. We are rational beings a we tend to want to have everything explained to us but it is impossible to understand everything since we are limited as human. But I guess God won't explain to us something that cannot be useful to us.